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Lubricant for record monza exhaust valve
« on: March 01, 2020, 02:33:49 PM »
My 124 spider has just passed its first birthday and has received quite a lot of under warranty maintenance work at the dealer. I mentioned to the dealer on its first service that the engine would misfire and hesitate if pushed hard and that there seemed to be lack of torque. I also stated that I was fairly certain that the exhaust valve had seized open. Whereas this seems to be desirable to some on this forum I wondered if it could be contributing problems.
The dealer confirmed the exhaust valve was seized open and replaced the exhaust rear section under warranty but the engine problem was referred for attendance by the FCA technical specialist at a later date. The FCA tech wizard replaced all four coil packs on the last appointment at the dealer and I can now say the car drives as it should with a much better throttle response and no misfires.
After an initial check of the new exhaust valve which I found to be a little tight and squeaking when moved, I decided to spend some time thinking about how to try and prevent the valve on the new exhaust system from seizing.
I chose a high performance silicone lubricant from WD40 (£5.40 at Halfords). This comes in a spray can with a folding directable spray pipe and is specified for use up to 200 degrees C which should be Ok at the tail end of the exhaust system.
During the first application to the upper and lower parts of the valve shaft, I worked it in by manually opening and closing the valve many times. With a few more applications and manually driving the valve, the operation is now very free and with no sound of dry metal on dry metal squeaking. I intend to make this a regular maintenance task every month or so as it only takes 5 minutes without even having to jack up the car.
I will try and think on to post an update later in the year and let anyone know who may be interested if the treatment is still working.

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Re: Lubricant for record monza exhaust valve
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2020, 04:29:21 PM »
Just an update on this thread I started.
Although the car has not been used much over the past couple of weeks due to the current circumstances, the treatment is working.
I checked the valve today and its still good and free with no dry metal squeaking. I will update again when I am able to use the car on a more regular basis.

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Re: Lubricant for record monza exhaust valve
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2020, 01:27:04 PM »
Just another update on the solution I suggested back in April.
I have re applied the silicone lubricant just twice since my original note on this thread and the valve is still perfectly free.
So with just under 6000 miles on the clock now It seems to me a reliable solution to the problem if the lubricant is applied say 3 or 4 times a year.

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Re: Lubricant for record monza exhaust valve
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2020, 11:50:51 AM »
Just had my exhaust rear section replaced under warranty so I'm off to Halfords for the Silicon lubricant!  Thanks for the advice.  I wonder how many rear exhausts have had to be changed as it seems a recurring problem.

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Re: Lubricant for record monza exhaust valve
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2020, 01:48:04 PM »
Mine has been fixed in the open position for about 2.5-3 years now.
I discussed it with the chief tech at the dealer's, who said they'd changed a few but mostly left them open.  He said it can do no damage - it has no connection with any of the car systems and doesn't do anything apart from keep things a bit quieter at low revs, and as that's not a problem for me I'm happy to leave it open.  It's just a simple spring-loaded flap valve, with no engine tune implications regarding back pressure etc.

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Re: Lubricant for record monza exhaust valve
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2021, 05:58:02 PM »
Hope things are still working ok.
I have just purchased a 2019 124 spider with 8,000 miles on (I believe they were all made in 2016) I have not test driven or viewed the car in person I did notice the tyres were date stamped 05/16.

I assume the valves are easy to see under the car then, without the need to jack the car up. I just hope your fix is still working.


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Re: Lubricant for record monza exhaust valve
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2021, 09:41:37 AM »
Only just turned 6000 miles after two years with all the restrictions, but checked the valve about 3 weeks ago and still moving freely.
The valve is easily accessible without raising the car using mole grips round the knurled wheel which is attached to the top of the valve shaft.
I just apply some more silicone lubricant to the top and lower end of the shaft and work it in using the mole grips. Just a little regular maintenance is all that is required.

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Re: Lubricant for record monza exhaust valve
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2021, 12:24:25 PM »
Many thanks I will take a look.

Hopefully the car will be delivered on Thursday this wee.

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Re: Lubricant for record monza exhaust valve
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2021, 09:12:20 PM »
Car delivered today.
Exhaust valve well rusted and stuck open. Might leave it until the 2nd year service is due on 25th April I assume the dealer will install a new one under warranty.
One other issue I went to fit a BMC air filter and the paper filter installed seems to oil on it ? Is this normal ?


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Re: Lubricant for record monza exhaust valve
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2021, 06:28:08 PM »
Did my valve today.
Car just coming up to 3 yrs with 6K on the clock.

At first I didn't think I would be able to budge the valve - absolutely solid.
Finally started it moving, but it took about 30 minutes of wiggling and adding oil before it was loose enough for the spring return to work.

I will give it another wiggle and oil wen the weather warms up and hopefully that will keep it going through the summer.
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Re: Lubricant for record monza exhaust valve
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2021, 10:06:11 PM »
My valve stuck open so i just left it like that a lot of [people wire it open
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Re: Lubricant for record monza exhaust valve
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2021, 04:31:31 PM »
I think the exhaust valve when working freely as it should does increase the low end torque below 3000 rpm though.
My original rear exhaust section was replaced under warranty due to a seized valve and I noticed that the torque seemed to increase at lower revs.

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Re: Lubricant for record monza exhaust valve
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2021, 12:36:09 PM »
Just thought I would update this thread I started by confirming the exhaust valve on my car is still moving freely.
The car is nearly three years old now and just coming up to 8000 miles.
All I have done is reapply some WD40 high performance silicone lubricant around the valve shaft every 3 or 4 months as i originally suggested.
It certainly seems to me like the answer.